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- Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume I Number 525
-
- Tuesday, January 21st 1992
-
- Today's Topics:
-
- Crop Circles Down Under
- FPP STUDY
- radioisotopes in corn -- Beckhampton,UK.
- Siberian Encounter
- Siberian Encounter
- Aussie Circles
- Re: CIS MESSAGE
- Re: AMAZON QUESTION
- Re: AN INTERESTING DEVELOPMENT ...
- Amazon Question
- Australian Computer Book
- Re: New Planets?
- Re: Nephilim
- Radioisotopes
- Aussie Circles
- Wackenhut
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- From: Bill.Chalker.UFORA.Associate.NSW@f8.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Bill Chalker UFORA Associate NSW)
- Subject: Crop Circles Down Under
- Date: 12 Jan 92 18:01:00 GMT
-
- Sheldon, Further to your comments and message to Keith re
- topographic considerations in Australian cases. I will
- limit my comments to 3 cases of prominence in the "circles"
- arguement.
- 1. Tully, 1966 - the topography does not fit the originally
- stated Meaden theory. The Horseshoe lagoon involved is part
- of an extensive flat coastal area. The nearest
- hill/mountain/highground is literally miles away.
- 2. Rosedale, 1980 - once again the topography does not fit,
- plus in this case we are dealing with a very long duration
- event with respect to the UFO observed, which sat on the
- ground long even for the farm caretaker to get dressed, ride
- his motorbike down to a gate approximately 400 metres from
- the house, then ride up to within 10 to 15 metres. A
- duration of at least 5 minutes, and there I think we are
- being conservative.
- 3. Mallee/Speed in Victoria (the Jolly property) scene of
- some of the most complex "circles" phenomenology in
- Australia, once again the topography appears to be
- unsuitable - gentle slightly undulating countryside, which
- would be characterised as largely flat.
- It seems to me that certainly in the cases of 1 & 2 above
- attempts to reconcile both to Meaden vortex events are quite
- flawed and rely on inaccurate characterisations of the UFO
- events involved and grossly unwarranted extrapolations of
- the topographic restrictions of the theory. I think these
- days Dr. Meaden has made the topographic conditions for his
- vortex formations so weak that the energy generation/votex
- development become very tenuous.
- My position on crop circles can still be best represented by
- by March, 1989 statement to Jenny Randles, part of which she
- used in her/Paul Fuller's "Controversy of the Circles"
- (1989). As she deleted most of my arguments re Tully due to
- space, I have quoted the whole of my original statement as
- follows:
- STATEMENT ON THE BRITISH MYSTERY CIRCLES CONTROVERSY
- The evolution of the vortex theory for the mystery circle
- formations in English corn fields is a good model of
- co-operation of scientific specialists and UFO researchers.
- It appears to be a possible explanation for many of the
- circle formations, that fit the topographic restrictions of
- the theory.
- The controversy that surrounds the British circles is a
- classic example of the problem of UFO myth making on
- evidence that is poor. Virtually all of the British circles
- have no direct evidence of a UFO cause. In cases where
- there is no direct correlation, then speculation has to be
- sensible and cautious. It strikes me that the vortex model
- is a cautious approach. It is not however proven, but is
- certainly a better fitting explanation than the
- "extraterrestrial" suggestions.
- In any case where there is an interesting physical trace,
- that lacks a direct UFO correlation, the physical evidence
- has to be extraordinary if we are to entertain the
- possibility of an exotic stimuli. So far the British
- circles do not provide such evidence.
- I remain open minded, but must say on the current evidence I
- would lean towards a mixture of vortex formations and
- hoaxing. I have not seen any compelling evidence that would
- support a UFO connection. If there is any available I would
- be happy to assess it.
- I would suggest that protogonists should consider my
- comments presented in my "physical trace" chapter in "UFOs -
- 1947-1987".
- While I see the vortex model as being a credible response to
- the circle controversy, I must however caution about
- applying it too dogmatically. For example Jenny Randles
- applied the vortex theory to the classic Australian Tully
- UFO nests of 1966. See her (book) "The UFO Conspiracy".
- I have spent some considerable time assessing the evidence
- of the 1966 Tully CE2 cases that involved farmer George
- Pedley. I have reviewed the original data, the RAAF files,
- interviewed George Pedley - the witness, Albert Pennisi -
- the property owner, and the original investigators,
- particularly Stan Seers, and I have to state that the vortex
- model does not apply for the following reasons:
- 1.The topography does not fit the theory. The Horseshoe
- lagoon is part of an extensive flat coastal area. The
- nearest hill/mountain/highground is literally miles away.
- 2. There was no prevailing wind conditions. In fact the
- weather had been fine and sunny.
- 3. The witness saw a UFO described as 2 saucers end on end,
- in broad daylight at close proximity for some 1- to 15
- seconds. To arge thast he saw a "vortex" is to
- categorically reject his evidence and the physical evidence
- at the site. The reeds did not disappear from the site.
- They were floating on the surface. There was no evidence
- that sufficient quantity of reeds were lifted up to create
- the impression of the UFO Pedley saw. He saw it directly
- above the "nest". It then rose up and then moved of at
- speed rotating as it went. I think it is extremely
- difficult to reconcile this to an observation of a "vortex".
- The RAAF (Royal Australian Air Force) suggested this as an
- explanation at the time. It did not fit the facts then, nor
- does it fit the "vortex" model as it is currently
- understood...
- Providing researchers understand the limitations of the
- vortex theory, then I see it as a reasonable hypothesis for
- investigation and possible explanation of mystery circles
- found in suitable topographic conditions.
- END OF 1989 STATEMENT
- Since then Meaden's hypotheisis has evolved arguing for a
- "plasma vortex" which might account for some anomolous
- lights at the site of circle formations. Once again this
- evolved theory does not adequately account for the Tully
- event and certainly does not fit Rosedale as Jenny Randles
- tried to do in her coauthored book "Crop Circles". Her
- analysis of the Rosedale case in that book was flawed and a
- correct interpretation of the data re that event finds the
- Meaden vortex as an usuitable explanation.
- I agree with you position on the more complex patterns that
- they are most likely hoaxes.
- Trust this information helps.
- Regards, Bill Chalker.
-
- --
- Bill Chalker UFORA Associate NSW - via FidoNet node 1:104/422
- UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name
- INTERNET: Bill.Chalker.UFORA.Associate.NSW@f8.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG
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- From: Keith.Basterfield@f12.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Keith Basterfield)
- Subject: FPP STUDY
- Date: 12 Jan 92 19:13:00 GMT
-
- To: John H Chalmers Jr
- Thanks for your comments about the SI item on the paper I co-authored.
- The following is the abstract from the paper itself:-
- "Psychopathological interpretations of individuals who claim contacts
- with extraterrestrials typify the few psychiatric evaluations of such
- behaviour. Biographical analyses of 152 subjects who reported
- temporary abductions or persistent contacts with UFO occupants shown
- that these subjects are remarkably devoid of a history of mental
- illness. However, in 132 cases, one or more major characteristics were
- found of what Wilson and Barber (1981) identified as the fantasy-prone
- personality (FPP). Although they appear to function as nomral, healthy
- adults, FPP's experience rich fantasy lives and score dramatically
- higher (relative to control groups) on such characteristics as
- hypnotic susceptibility, psychic ability, healing, out-of-the-body
- experiences, automatic writing, religious visions and apparitional
- experiences. In the present study, UFO "abductees" and
- "contactees"exhibit a pattern of symptamology similar to that of FPPs.
- Thus, clinicians should consider testing UFO abductees and contactees
- for fantasy proneness in cases in which a particular
- psychopathological diagnosis in not obvious."
- You will not that the SI did not say it was a biographical study.
- Since we did not have access to a number of abductees to undertake
- psych testing we studied their texts. We suggested health professionals
- should look into the topic of abductions to see if FPP was the answer.
- Kenneth Ring, and Christopher Rosing of the Psych dept, Uni of
- Connecticut conducted such a study of both abductees and people
- reporting near death experiences. Their conclusion "...fantasy proness
- is not a factor that
- differentiates our experiential from our control groups." However, Bob
- Bartholomew and I believe their methodology to be faulty and their
- result unclear. The J Allen Hynek Center for UFO Studies is currently
- conducting an examination of our hypothesis in conjunction with a
- sample of persons claiming abductions and a number of health
- professionals.
- Thanks for your interest, I hope you will obtain a copy of the article
- and read it. Should you wish copies of other material in this
- intriguing area, I would be only too happy to post a list of Journal
- articles on the FPP. Thanks again.
-
- --
- Keith Basterfield - via FidoNet node 1:104/422
- UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name
- INTERNET: Keith.Basterfield@f12.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG
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- From: UNHH.UNH.EDU!K_MACARTHUR1
- Subject: radioisotopes in corn -- Beckhampton,UK.
- Date: 15 Jan 92 20:36:32 GMT
-
- From: K_MACARTHUR1@UNHH.UNH.EDU
-
- If what you are refering to as a dutron is a deuteron (one proton,one
- neutron), this is just an isotope of hydrogen, deuterium. It is found
- naturally as heavy water and is present in approx. 1% or so (maybe a little
- less) in seawater and most other water on Earth. Nothing strange about finding
- traces of it anywhere. As for the other radioisotopes found in the plants,
- consider the effects of what blew thattaway from Chernobyl in 1986, and cross
- all of those isotopes from the list (thorium, iodine and many more ...). After
- that, check with a competent geologist/geophysicist on what trace isotopes are
- normal for the region's dirt and if there are any traces still around from the
- air burst atomic tests in the 1950's (I wonder how many Chernobyl equivalents
- those amounted to per year, nasty.). If there are any isotopes left on your
- list that do not occur in corn near the site in question, then you have some
- interesting data to research. Another way to have *very* scant traces of
- an isotope in surface soil: cosmic rays. There are many high energy particles
- that penetrate the atmosphere and enter the crust. Not too many, else we never
- would have evolved, but enough particle events to measure and cause effects in
- materials, just like a particle accelerator. Just my $0.02 worth on this....
-
- Korac MacArthur
- k_macarthur1@unhh.unh.edu
- (internet)
-
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- From: Sheldon.Wernikoff@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Sheldon Wernikoff)
- Subject: Siberian Encounter
- Date: 15 Jan 92 23:05:02 GMT
-
-
- To: Mark Rhodeghier
- Subject: Siberian Encounter
-
- *** Sorry Mark, I inadvertantly misspelled your last name, so I am
- re-posting this message to you! ***
-
-
- Hi Mark,
-
- I recently received the Nov/Dec issue of IUR, and as usual,
- thoroughly enjoyed reading it.
-
- I did find something very puzzling however in "Encounter over
- Siberia", written by Richard Haines.
-
- Vladimir Kuzmin, the Soviet....er, uh...Russian? pilot who sighted
- a UFO while piloting his L-29 jet trainer, seemed to recall the
- incident in splendid detail, except for one minor problem. He
- apparently didn't remember what day it was! Don't you find that a
- bit odd?
-
- Dr. Haines begins the article by stating that the incident occurred
- "in central Siberia between 3 and 3:30 P.M. local time on December
- 24 or 25, 1989". That's only two years ago, and were talking about
- Xmas eve or Xmas day! Didn't he file a flight plan? How could he
- possibly not recall the day?
-
- Perhaps it was Dr. Haines that was uncertain? Regardless, it struck
- me like a ton of bricks, and left me wary of the entire account.
-
- Take care,
-
- Sheldon
- --
- Sheldon Wernikoff - via FidoNet node 1:104/422
- UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name
- INTERNET: Sheldon.Wernikoff@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG
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- From: Sheldon.Wernikoff@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Sheldon Wernikoff)
- Subject: Aussie Circles
- Date: 16 Jan 92 03:32:01 GMT
-
-
- In a message to Sheldon Wernikoff <12-Jan-92 11:01>
- Bill Chalker wrote:
-
- BC> Sheldon, Further to your comments and message to Keith re
- BC> topographic considerations in Australian cases. I will limit my
- BC> comments to 3 cases of prominence in the "circles" arguement.
-
- Hello, Bill... and thanks for taking the time to respond with such
- specific details. I shall comment on your post...
-
- BC> 1. Tully, 1966 - the topography does not fit the originally
- BC> stated Meaden theory. The Horseshoe lagoon involved is part of
- BC> an extensive flat coastal area. The nearest
- BC> hill/mountain/highground is literally miles away.
-
- I agree that this case does not fit Meaden's theory directly,
- however, being in a coastal region, the land/water/air thermal
- variations could be conducive to vortex formation. As a sailor, I
- have frequently noticed strong on-shore off-shore breezes in
- coastal areas, even at times when calm air prevailed inland and
- seaward.
-
- BC> 2. Rosedale, 1980 - once again the topography does not fit,
- BC> plus in this case we are dealing with a very long duration
- BC> event with respect to the UFO ... ... A duration of at least
- BC> 5 minutes, and there I think we are being conservative.
-
- I don't think there is much possibility of a vortex being the basis
- here. 5 minutes would be a terribly long time for any vortex,
- convectional or plasma, to remain stable and motionless on the
- ground.
-
- BC> I think these days Dr. Meaden has made the topographic
- BC> conditions for his vortex formations so weak that the energy
- BC> generation/vortex development become very tenuous.
-
- There are in all probability, different variations of "crop circle
- type" UGM's with various origins. However, if the data is correct,
- there certainly seems to be some correlation (at least in England)
- to circle formation proximate to the leeward side hill slopes. For
- example 1989 yielded the following data according to Meaden's
- analysis:
-
- Number of circles 0-0.5 km from hill slope: 54
- Number of circles 0.5-1.0 km from hill slope: 135
- Number of circles 1.0-1.5 km from hill slope: 55
- Number of circles 1.5-2.0 km from hill slope: 33
- Number of circles 2.0-2.5 km from hill slope: 22
- Number of circles 2.5-3.0 km from hill slope: 8
- NO circles were located greater than 3 km from a hill slope.
-
- Nonetheless, there is a problem with the data, which I want to
- elaborate on. The statement that NO circles were found greater than
- three miles distant from a hill slope requires qualification. In
- the south of England, it is practically impossible to travel MORE
- THAN 3 km, WITHOUT encountering a hill. It is a VERY HILLY region.
- Hence, to state no circles were discovered at distances greater
- than 3 km from a hill is a NECESSITY due to the very nature of the
- terrain. A perfect example of how good data can yield misleading
- conclusions without possession of ALL the facts!
-
- Finally, I shall comment on your closing statements circa the Tully
- case; having discussed topological considerations previously
-
- BC> 2. There was no prevailing wind conditions. In fact the weather
- BC> had been fine and sunny.
-
- Generally, the English crop circles have formed in still, night
- air. The vortex would seem to be an extremely localized event, not
- dependent on conventional wind patterns. From continuing anecdotal
- accounts, both in England and Japan, a "mist" seems to be
- associated with the formation of the genuine phenomenon.
-
- BC> 3. The witness saw a UFO described as 2 saucers end on end, in
- BC> broad daylight at close proximity for some 1- to 15 seconds. To
- BC> argue thast he saw a "vortex" is to categorically reject his
- BC> evidence and the physical evidence at the site. The reeds did
- BC> not disappear from the site. They were floating on the surface.
- BC> There was no evidence that sufficient quantity of reeds were
- BC> lifted up to create the impression of the UFO Pedley saw. He
- BC> saw it directly above the "nest". It then rose up and then
- BC> moved of at speed rotating as it went. I think it is extremely
- BC> difficult to reconcile this to an observation of a "vortex".
-
- Are you Bill, through your interviews with the principals of this
- case, convinced that the witness viewed a solid object, rather than
- a double-convex opaque "cloud-type" composition? The "rotating as
- it went" part makes me think "vortex". How rapidly did the UFO
- rise? How long did it remain in sight AFTER it began to rotate?
-
- BC> I agree with your position on the more complex patterns - that
- BC> they are most likely hoaxes.
-
- Good! What about the recently reported radiation anomalies? I have
- a feeling the data may be being misinterpreted. Some elements that
- should be showing up in the gamma spec data are curiously absent.
- We shall see.
-
- BC> Trust this information helps.
-
- It has... and Thanks!
-
- -- Sheldon
-
- --
- Sheldon Wernikoff - via FidoNet node 1:104/422
- UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name
- INTERNET: Sheldon.Wernikoff@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG
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- From: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Pete Porro)
- Subject: Re: CIS MESSAGE
- Date: 13 Jan 92 20:28:00 GMT
-
- I'll save the address and send another package of junk mail in amonth or so.
- As for typing at work, I bought the business about 6 years ago. All that
- really means is that along with everything else, I get to take out the
- garbage, clean the toilets and do the windows. As anyone slef employed knows,
- it has none of the advantages or perks of being employed by someone else.
- (nice typing Pete) The best part of the deal is I get to take off three days
- a year to do anything I want.
-
- I'm still keeping an eye out for more on West and the Sphinx, but since
- footbal is nearly over I won't be reading USA today, where he has gotten the
- most reasonable coverage.
-
- When you get the package you will see that nothing is normal around here for
- the last few years, but I'm still trying...
- --
- Pete Porro - via FidoNet node 1:104/422
- UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name
- INTERNET: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG
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- From: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Pete Porro)
- Subject: Re: AMAZON QUESTION
- Date: 13 Jan 92 20:37:17 GMT
-
- Tristan Jones has a new book out, "Seagulls in my Soup" is supposedly a
- follow up of sorts to "Saga of a Wayward Sailor" (neither one read yet) He is
- now retired living in Thailand working with handicapped children. I believe
- he just had is other leg amputated recently.
-
- Off topic, but I hope this fills in some spaces.
- As usual this information is stored somewhere in the archives in the back of
- my mind, and I can't even guess why.
- --
- Pete Porro - via FidoNet node 1:104/422
- UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name
- INTERNET: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG
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- From: John.Galt@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Galt)
- Subject: Re: AN INTERESTING DEVELOPMENT ...
- Date: 13 Jan 92 23:24:19 GMT
-
- Wackenhut Corp., one of the nation's largest security firms, said Friday it
- has bought the U.S. security operations of ISS International Service System
- Inc.
-
- The purchase price was not disclosed.
-
- ISS International has more than 700 employees in its U.S. security
- operations, primarily in Jacksonville, Los Angeles, Dallas, Atlanta,
- Cleveland and Chattanooga, Tenn.
-
- The U.S. security arm of ISS International, based in Copenhagen, Denmark,
- has annual revenues of $7.5 million.
-
- Wackenhut has 40,000 employees and annual revenues of $550 million.
-
- These guys are getting biger.
- --
- John Galt - via FidoNet node 1:104/422
- UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name
- INTERNET: John.Galt@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG
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- From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
- Subject: Amazon Question
- Date: 15 Jan 92 05:23:00 GMT
-
-
- > inspiring they gained new perspective on their own little problems
-
- Yes, he does have a knack for showing us how mundane most of our little
- difficulties really are.
-
- > BTW, I didn't realize you were a serious sailor.
-
- The operative word is "was." Didn't get away from it really by choice; it
- just worked out that way.
- But we're straying far from the echo topic....... ;-)
-
- jbh
-
- --
- John Hicks - via FidoNet node 1:104/422
- UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name
- INTERNET: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG
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- From: Mark.Rodeghier@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Mark Rodeghier)
- Subject: Australian Computer Book
- Date: 15 Jan 92 16:22:00 GMT
-
-
- VG> Mark,
- VG>
- VG> I just polled Paranet and got your message. I then called
- VG> Telecom Australia Overseas telephone assistance and told
- VG> them about your problem. They told me that you should NOT
- VG> dial 03 (this is our internal interstate accesss number)
-
- VG> Thanks.
- VG>
- VG> Vladimir
- VG>
-
- Vladimir,
-
- It would seem that you too are a victim of a crossed wire network.
- My name is Mark Rodeghier too, but I'm not the same one you have been in
- contact with in the past. It's possible that this other 'Mark Rodeghier' is
- related to me in some way but I have never met him. This is the second time
- this has happened on this net. If you know of a way that I might contact
- him directly, please let me know. I would like to find out if we are
- related. With a name like Rodeghier, we can't be too far apart on the
- geneology tree.
-
- Sorry about the mix up and I hope your message got to the other 'Mark'
- without delay.
-
- The Other Mark... ;-)
-
- --
- Mark Rodeghier - via FidoNet node 1:104/422
- UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name
- INTERNET: Mark.Rodeghier@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG
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- From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird)
- Subject: Re: New Planets?
- Date: 16 Jan 92 05:09:00 GMT
-
- Hi Danny,
-
- I asked my husband Loren about your inquiry. He thinks we should wait
- for independent confirmation that there are even 2-3 planets around
- that pulsar. (He is an amateur astronomer and gobbles up astronomy
- books!)
-
- According to CNN tonight, the astronomer who thinks he may have found
- ONE planet around a different star has retracted his claim due to
- "bad data."
-
- If I find out any more, I'll post it. (:-)
-
- Linda
-
-
- --
- Linda Bird - via FidoNet node 1:104/422
- UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name
- INTERNET: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG
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- From: neptune.convex.com!swarren
- Subject: Re: Nephilim
- Date: 16 Jan 92 17:42:41 GMT
-
- From: swarren@neptune.convex.com (Steve Warren)
-
- +From: Carl.Aztec@f70.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Carl Aztec)
- +Subject: Nephilim
- +Date: 3 Jan 92 17:47:00 GMT
- +
- ...
- +This is the name that appears as Jehovah in many versions of
- +the bible. It's a form of the verb 'to be' and means 'he
- +is'. The name YHVH was considered such a powerful word,
- ...
-
- Actually I believe that it is more properly 'I Am,'
- rather than 'He Is.'
-
- When Moses asked God who God was, and whom Moses should tell the Israelites
- had sent him to them, God said, 'I am who I am. This is what you are to say to
- the Israelites: 'I Am' has sent me to you.' The word 'I Am" is JHVA.
-
- As far as His identity, He claims to have created everything that exists. The
- Bible records some fairly spectacular actions that He is supposed to have
- performed in order to demonstrate His identity - a great revelation
- accompanied by equally great signs.
-
- If some 'spiritual being' wants to bring a revelation regarding JHVA, then
- that being should be prepared to provide equally great signs. Otherwise I
- wouldn't waste my time with them.
- _.
- --Steve ._||__ swarren@convex.com
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- From: Sheldon.Wernikoff@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Sheldon Wernikoff)
- Subject: Radioisotopes
- Date: 17 Jan 92 00:36:01 GMT
-
-
- In a message to All <15-Jan-92 18:26> Korac MacArthur wrote:
-
- KM> If what you are refering to as a dutron is a deuteron (one
- KM> proton,one neutron), this is just an isotope of hydrogen,
- KM> deuterium.
-
- Korac - your definition of a deuteron is correct, however, it is
- regarded as a specific subatomic particle, physically dissimilar
- from deuterium in that it does not contain deuterium's single
- orbiting electron.
-
- KM> It is found naturally as heavy water and is present in approx.
- KM> 1% or so (maybe a little less) in seawater and most other water
- KM> on Earth.
-
- Deuterium is found IN heavy water, not AS "heavy water", which is
- deuterium _oxide_. Heavy water composes roughly 0.015% of all
- terrestrial water.
-
- KM> Nothing strange about finding traces of it anywhere.
-
- Agreed, but Robert was in error when he stated "dutron" was
- detected in one of the British circles. I believe he had
- inadvertently misinterpreted "dutron" as one of the rare, short-
- lived radioisotopes that were allegedly discovered.
-
- KM> As for the other radioisotopes found in the plants,
- KM> consider the effects of what blew thattaway from Chernobyl in
- KM> 1986, and cross all of those isotopes from the list (thorium,
- KM> iodine and many more ...).
-
- Valid point Korac - this has been accomplished. The detected
- isotopes have been cross-checked against catalogued effluent and
- degradation products from Chernobyl, atomic bomb tests, and nuclear
- plants. Long-lived isotopes such as Cesium-137 from Chernobyl were
- found in the samples AND control, and therefore not considered.
-
- KM> After that, check with a competent geologist/geophysicist on
- KM> what trace isotopes are normal for the region's dirt
-
- The isotopes discussed are _non-naturally occurring_, so none are
- considered "normal" for any locale's soil.
-
- KM> and if there are any traces still around from the air burst
- KM> atomic tests in the 1950's
-
- The isotopes discussed are very short-lived (average half-life
- approximately 20 days), so even if they could have been products of
- the '50s A-tests, there would be no detectable traces left today.
- That's not to say that there aren't many "long-lived" air burst
- isotopes still present in '90s soil!
-
- KM>If there are any isotopes left on your list that do not occur in
- KM> corn near the site in question, then you have some interesting
- KM> data to research.
-
- Agreed, but the problem now is that if the detected isotopes ARE
- products of the proposed deuteron activation mechanism, there
- should also be OTHER isotopes present which have not been observed,
- such as Iron-56 --> Cobalt-56. Iron-56 is any extremely common soil
- component.
-
- KM> Another way to have *very* scant traces of
- KM> an isotope in surface soil: cosmic rays.
-
- Very true, and this issue has been addressed. None of the observed
- radonuclides could have been produced by cosmic ray bombardment.
-
- I must emphasize the need for supplementary, independent
- confirmation of the data, due to the highly interpretive nature of
- gamma spectroscopy, lack of adequate controls, and the small sample
- set observed.
-
- -- Sheldon
-
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- Sheldon Wernikoff - via FidoNet node 1:104/422
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-
-
- From: Brent.Wilcox@p5.f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Brent Wilcox)
- Subject: Aussie Circles
- Date: 16 Jan 92 19:57:49 GMT
-
- In a message to Bill Chalker <15 Jan 92 20:32> Sheldon Wernikoff wrote:
-
- SW> Good! What about the recently reported radiation anomalies? I have
- SW> a feeling the data may be being misinterpreted. Some elements that
- SW> should be showing up in the gamma spec data are curiously absent.
- SW> We shall see.
-
- True. It's too early to draw conclusions from the radiation
- anomalies. But these anomalies were found in samples taken from a
- complex pattern, not a "simple" circle.
-
- If the anomalies hold up to scrutiny, they raise new questions about
- the complex patterns.
-
-
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-
- From: Don.Ecker@p0.f3.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Don Ecker)
- Subject: Wackenhut
- Date: 17 Jan 92 02:46:00 GMT
-
- John Galt said:
-
- > Wackenhut Corp., one of the nation's largest security firms, said Friday
- > it has bought the U.S. security operations of ISS International Service
- > System Inc. The purchase price was not disclosed. ISS International
- > has more than 700 employees in its U.S. security operations, primarily
- > in Jacksonville, Los Angeles, Dallas, Atlanta, Cleveland and
- > Chattanooga, Tenn.
-
- In several investigations that I am currently involved in for UFO Magazine as
- well as my radio show "UFOs Tonite", I have come across the Wackenhut
- connection. As many of you may know, Wackenhut is responsible for outside
- security around Area 51 and site S-4. Last year there was a helicopter crash
- in Las Vegas that killed a number of Wackenhut employees, plus they are
- involved in the Inslaw scandel. At any rate much more than I can go into here.
- However************
-
- I checked CIABASE and came up with the following. Incidently, all sources are
- available for the following information if requested.
-
- Read and contemplate.
-
- *****************************************************************************
-
- CIABASE FILES
- -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- CONFLICT, LI
-
- PERU, 88-91 PRIVATE SECURITY CORPORATION FORMING IMPORTANT ROLE
- IN LIC-DRUG OPERATIONS. FROM 1981-91, PERUVIAN SECURITY CORPORATIONS
- INCREASED FROM 80 TO 350, PLUS 150 UNOFFICIAL ORGANIZATIONS. AMONG
- THOSE IS WACKENHUT CORP, WHOSE EMPLOYEES CONSIST OF MANY EX-CIA,
- DEA, FBI MEMBERS. Z 11/90 87
-
- DOMESTIC OP
-
- CHILE, CUBA. WACKENHUT CORP OF CORAL GABLES, FLORIDA. PROVIDES
- SECURITY SYSTEMS THRUOUT WORLD. INMAN WAS DIRECTOR OF CORP PLUS
- OTHER INFLUENTIAL PERSONS IN 80 WACKENHUT WORKED CLOSELY WITH
- S. CALIFORNIA'S CABAZON INDIANS AND THEIR TRIBAL ADMINISTRATOR
- JOHN PHILIP NICHOLS. NICHOLS PER NEWS ARTICLE, BOASTED RE ATTEMPTED
- ASSASSINATION CASTRO AND SUCCESSFUL ASSASSINATION OF SALVADOR ALLENDE.
- WACKENHUT/CABAZON CONNECTION OF PARTICULAR INTEREST TO D. CASOLARO
- WHO DIED IN W.VIRGINIA IN 91 HE ALSO INVESTIGATING OCTOBER SURPRISE
- AND INSLAW. MICHAEL RICONOSCIUTO - A WEAPONS-SYSTEM DESIGNER AND
- SOFTWARE SPECIALIST - WAS DIR OF A RESEARCH PROJECT OF WACKENHUT/CABAZON
- JOINT VENTURE. IN EARLY 80s AFFIDAVIT SAID HE MODIFIED A STOLEN
- PROMIS SOFTWARE FOR FOREIGN SALES. OTHER INFO ON WACKENHUT. ITT
- 9/24/81 4-5
-
- FOR EIGHT YEARS INSLAW BATTLING JUSTICE DEPT FOR POSSESSION OF
- PROMIS, A SOFT-WARE PROGRAM DEVELOPED BY COMPANY OWNER BILL HAMILTON.
- IN 91 INSLAW WENT PUBLIC AND ALLEGED REAGAN JUSTICE DEPT, AFTER IT
- HAD STOLEN PROMIS, TURNED IT OVER TO EARL BRIAN. INSLAW ALLEGES
- SOFTWARE GIVEN BRIAN AS PAYBACK FOR BRIAN'S HELP IN ARRANGING ARMS-FOR-
- HOSTAGE DEAL WITH IRAN IN 1980 (OCTOBER SURPRISE). PER HAMILTON, BRIAN, WHO
- RUNS UPI, ALLEGEDLY MARKETED PROMIS TO INTEL AGENCIES OF ISRAEL, JORDAN,
- IRAQ, CANADA, SOUTH KOREA, LIBYA, ENGLAND, GERMANY, FRANCE, AUSTRALIA,
- THAILAND, JAPAN, CHILE, GUATEMALA, AND BRAZIL. PER INSLAW, ONCE SOFTWARE USED
- BY FOREIGN INTEL SERVICES, NATIONAL SECURITY AGENCY (NSA) ABLE INFILTRATE
- COMPUTERIZED INTEL FILES THOSE COUNTRIES. MODIFICATIONS TO PROMIS ALLEGEDLY
- DONE BY WACKENHUT CORP. OF CORAL GABLES, FL. HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE
- INVESTIGATING SCANDAL SINCE 89. ATTORNEY GENERAL THORNBURG, UNDER SUPOENA,
- RELEASED INSLAW-RELATED FILES - BUT 15 TO 20 FILES MISSING. ITT 9/10/91 4-5
-
- STORY OF DANNY CASOLARO - WHO HAD BEEN SORTING THRU THE S&L DEBACLE,
- BCCI, IRAN-CONTRA, CONTRA-CONNECTED WACKENHUT CORP., WACKENHUT-CONNECTED
- INSLAW CASE AND INSLAW-CONNECTED "OCTOBER SURPRISE." ITT 9/10/91
- 4-5
-
- LIAISON
-
- INSLAW PRES BILL HAMILTON SAYS HE HAS INFO THAT PROMIS ILLEGALLY
- SOLD TO SOUTH KOREA, LIBYA, JORDAN, GREAT BRITAIN (ENGLAND), GERMANY,
- FRANCE, AUSTRALIA, THAILAND, JAPAN, CHILE, GUATEMALA, BRAZIL, AND
- CANADA. CANADIAN COMPANY, COMMUNICATIONS CANADA - THE CANADIAN
- WORKPLACE AUTOMATION RESEARCH CENTER (CWARC) WROTE INSLAW A LETTER.
- ROYAL CANADIAN MOUNTED POLICE ARE OPERATING PROMIS IN 900 LOCATIONS.
- MICHAEL RICONOSCIUTO SWORE IN AN AFFIDAVIT THAT WHEN HE DIRECTOR
- OF WACKENHUT CORP OF CORAL GABLES, FL ONE OF HIS JOBS TO ADAPT
- PROMIS SOFTWARE. PETER VIDENIEKS AND EARL W. BRIAN WERE FREQUENT
- VISITORS TO WACKENHUT. RICONOSCIUTO SAID HE TO MODIFY PROMIS FOR
- IMPLEMENTATION IN LAW ENFORCEMENT AND INTEL AGENCIES WORLDWIDE.
- AFTER TESTIFYING BEFORE HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE INVESTIGATORS,
- RICONOSCIUTO ARRESTED AND CHARGED WITH SELLING MORE THAN 4 GRAMS
- OF POTENT SPEED. ITT 6/11/91 11-13
-
- END OF FILE ---------------------------
- ---------------------------------------------------
-
- If you notice the name INMAN in the above, that is Adm. Bobby Inman recently
- mentioned in Tim Good's book "Alien Liason" and the subject of the January
- 1992 rebuttal of Bob Oechsler in the MUFON Journel.
-
- Best:
-
- Don Ecker
- Director Research
- UFO Magazine
-
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